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On this episode of The ��������ion Record Podcast, digital media editor Warren Frey speaks with Chartered Institute of Building (CIOB) CEO Caroline Gumble about skilled trades recruitment and DEI initiatives in both the UK and North America.

Gumble explained the CIOB has existed for 190 years and stands for science, ethics and practice of the built environment. She detailed some of the ways the UK has encouraged diversity in hiring through the use of “blind CVs” where no personal information in included in a resume to discourage unconscious bias.

She also explained that while there are slight differences in terms of the makeup of the workforce in North America and the UK, both face the same demographic challenges of a looming wave of retirements with not enough workers ready to replace them.

You can listen to our recent interviews from the ICBA ��������ion Innovation Summit here. Our episodes are available at the Daily Commercial News and Journal of Commerce websites, on  and at  ,�������Ի��� podcast section. Thanks for listening.